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		<title>By: sez</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-41907</link>
		<dc:creator>sez</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 19:26:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I admit. I tag bad. but it's so much fun !!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I admit. I tag bad. but it&#8217;s so much fun !!</p>
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		<title>By: drac</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-41753</link>
		<dc:creator>drac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 08:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Java Jones: I do not have regular internet access at the moment, so I'm just vaguely aware of the apparent controversy that appears to have sprung up, but let me respond as best as I am able. Please do bear in mind that I have not had either the time nor the internet access to read all the content that has been generated by this latest saga.

a) Your view is laudable, but I'd challenge you to figure out a way to determine relevance to the post sans subjectivity and without babysitting the site 24/7 (hint: I certainly do not have the time, nor can I in good conscience ask the other volunteer administrators to do so). What you see on Ach represents a good-faith, best-effort at moderation, given that all of the people thus far involved have their own lives outside the internet. I encourage anyone to complain about specific tags which offend them (this has always been the case) at which point I can make a decision about what (if anything) needs to be done. I always read email, even if a response is a few days late (as it will be these days).

There also exists a mechanism for removing tags which are objectionable &lt;em&gt;without any moderator intervention&lt;/em&gt;. This is completely in the hands of the individual users of the site, provided enough people agree. This mechanism has been very infrequently invoked - draw your own conclusions as to why this may be the case.

b) You are entirely mistaken that 8 word or longer tags are completely disallowed. This has never been the case. There is indeed a warning printed out and users are given the opportunity to fix lengthy tags. The issuance of a warning also allows me to maintain an automated record of which users are consistently writing essay-length tags, at which point a quiet email usually suffices to restore order.

On the other hand, I have no hesitation in enforcing the rule about not having blogger names and nicks in tags. If there is any "selective" application of that particular rule, I fear it has erred significantly in your favour to the cost of bloggers that you have called out in apparent ignorance. You may recall the email where I recounted your numerous infractions. Consider that there are others on the site with similar difficulty in absorbing rules and etiquette surrounding tagging, who deserve as much leniency as you got over an extended period of time.

c) Are there noble intentions for this site? Achcharu is a personal feedreader project, as I repeatedly mention. I work on the site and provide resources because it works for me, and as long as it continues to do so - then my primary objective has been accomplished. Clearly, it doesn't work for some people and that's ok by my book. 

If you have any specific ideas about how to enforce better conduct (in your opinion) on tagging in a non-labour intensive way, I'd certainly like to hear from you - or anyone else. As sensitive as I am to criticism, non-specific exhortation to improve the conduct of taggers, change the government or facilitate world peace only deserves the indifference that has thus far been my reaction to this whole affair.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Java Jones: I do not have regular internet access at the moment, so I&#8217;m just vaguely aware of the apparent controversy that appears to have sprung up, but let me respond as best as I am able. Please do bear in mind that I have not had either the time nor the internet access to read all the content that has been generated by this latest saga.</p>
<p>a) Your view is laudable, but I&#8217;d challenge you to figure out a way to determine relevance to the post sans subjectivity and without babysitting the site 24/7 (hint: I certainly do not have the time, nor can I in good conscience ask the other volunteer administrators to do so). What you see on Ach represents a good-faith, best-effort at moderation, given that all of the people thus far involved have their own lives outside the internet. I encourage anyone to complain about specific tags which offend them (this has always been the case) at which point I can make a decision about what (if anything) needs to be done. I always read email, even if a response is a few days late (as it will be these days).</p>
<p>There also exists a mechanism for removing tags which are objectionable <em>without any moderator intervention</em>. This is completely in the hands of the individual users of the site, provided enough people agree. This mechanism has been very infrequently invoked - draw your own conclusions as to why this may be the case.</p>
<p>b) You are entirely mistaken that 8 word or longer tags are completely disallowed. This has never been the case. There is indeed a warning printed out and users are given the opportunity to fix lengthy tags. The issuance of a warning also allows me to maintain an automated record of which users are consistently writing essay-length tags, at which point a quiet email usually suffices to restore order.</p>
<p>On the other hand, I have no hesitation in enforcing the rule about not having blogger names and nicks in tags. If there is any &#8220;selective&#8221; application of that particular rule, I fear it has erred significantly in your favour to the cost of bloggers that you have called out in apparent ignorance. You may recall the email where I recounted your numerous infractions. Consider that there are others on the site with similar difficulty in absorbing rules and etiquette surrounding tagging, who deserve as much leniency as you got over an extended period of time.</p>
<p>c) Are there noble intentions for this site? Achcharu is a personal feedreader project, as I repeatedly mention. I work on the site and provide resources because it works for me, and as long as it continues to do so - then my primary objective has been accomplished. Clearly, it doesn&#8217;t work for some people and that&#8217;s ok by my book. </p>
<p>If you have any specific ideas about how to enforce better conduct (in your opinion) on tagging in a non-labour intensive way, I&#8217;d certainly like to hear from you - or anyone else. As sensitive as I am to criticism, non-specific exhortation to improve the conduct of taggers, change the government or facilitate world peace only deserves the indifference that has thus far been my reaction to this whole affair.</p>
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		<title>By: Java Jones</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-41659</link>
		<dc:creator>Java Jones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 30 Mar 2008 00:29:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My view is that tags should reflect, in some way, the post in question and not be a means of irrelevant personal attacks – as many on ach are. There’s also some of the ‘rules’ that are being, what appears to be, selectively applied. Some tags that exceed 8 words are allowed, whilst others are not. If there’s a group that gangs up on bloggers, it seems to be counter-productive to the ‘noble’ intentions of  the site.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My view is that tags should reflect, in some way, the post in question and not be a means of irrelevant personal attacks – as many on ach are. There’s also some of the ‘rules’ that are being, what appears to be, selectively applied. Some tags that exceed 8 words are allowed, whilst others are not. If there’s a group that gangs up on bloggers, it seems to be counter-productive to the ‘noble’ intentions of  the site.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-4364</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Mar 2007 09:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And now your turn. :-) Let me know if nothing's come through again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And now your turn. <img src='http://lair.fierydragon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> Let me know if nothing&#8217;s come through again.</p>
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		<title>By: drac</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-4329</link>
		<dc:creator>drac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Mar 2007 12:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>G: check your mail :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>G: check your mail <img src='http://lair.fierydragon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-4303</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Mar 2007 16:33:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hello drackety

Apologies for derailing the thread a bit but I tried mailing to both your fierydragon addresses for an access key and have received no reply yet. Have I been restricted in some way? :p</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello drackety</p>
<p>Apologies for derailing the thread a bit but I tried mailing to both your fierydragon addresses for an access key and have received no reply yet. Have I been restricted in some way? :p</p>
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		<title>By: drac</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-4092</link>
		<dc:creator>drac</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tz: you have &lt;em&gt;no idea&lt;/em&gt;. It was inspired.

CY/N: It's in the archives of Ach1. I never bothered to import the old tags back in because the server structure for storing tags and posts is completely different. Couldn't be bothered writing a convertor, really. 

Besides, the post that it was tagged against no longer exists. Let's just say that it was easter related and leave it there.

Also, getting blindingly drunk seems to lose its allure after a while. Believe me, I've been there. It gets boring. Still doesn't stop me getting sloshed on occasion, but err..

Darwin: I suppose it's completely wrong that I feel the need to break into Shaggy's Mr Boombastic lyrics when I hear it. Yeah, forget I said that.

Gah. All these demands :) When the number of serious voting bugs die down to single digits... I'll contemplate it. Need to do a few tweaks to the voting algorithm today anyway.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tz: you have <em>no idea</em>. It was inspired.</p>
<p>CY/N: It&#8217;s in the archives of Ach1. I never bothered to import the old tags back in because the server structure for storing tags and posts is completely different. Couldn&#8217;t be bothered writing a convertor, really. </p>
<p>Besides, the post that it was tagged against no longer exists. Let&#8217;s just say that it was easter related and leave it there.</p>
<p>Also, getting blindingly drunk seems to lose its allure after a while. Believe me, I&#8217;ve been there. It gets boring. Still doesn&#8217;t stop me getting sloshed on occasion, but err..</p>
<p>Darwin: I suppose it&#8217;s completely wrong that I feel the need to break into Shaggy&#8217;s Mr Boombastic lyrics when I hear it. Yeah, forget I said that.</p>
<p>Gah. All these demands <img src='http://lair.fierydragon.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> When the number of serious voting bugs die down to single digits&#8230; I&#8217;ll contemplate it. Need to do a few tweaks to the voting algorithm today anyway.</p>
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		<title>By: Darwin</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-4086</link>
		<dc:creator>Darwin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 09:28:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Loverlord, I like that one! It can't possibly get any cheesier:D

I still don't see you on Ach though...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Loverlord, I like that one! It can&#8217;t possibly get any cheesier:D</p>
<p>I still don&#8217;t see you on Ach though&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: N</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-4068</link>
		<dc:creator>N</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2007 04:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hmm...as a break from school you built Ach...kkkk...personally prefer getting blindingly drunk (but then you'll make millions in the software industry one day while I'll get hit by a bus jaywalking)...I'm with yellow, wanna see this zombie tag...please oh please overlord!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hmm&#8230;as a break from school you built Ach&#8230;kkkk&#8230;personally prefer getting blindingly drunk (but then you&#8217;ll make millions in the software industry one day while I&#8217;ll get hit by a bus jaywalking)&#8230;I&#8217;m with yellow, wanna see this zombie tag&#8230;please oh please overlord!</p>
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		<title>By: Curious Yellow</title>
		<link>http://lair.fierydragon.org/2007/03/the-power-of-community/#comment-4050</link>
		<dc:creator>Curious Yellow</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Mar 2007 19:54:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can't see the tag!

Where is it?

I must see it.

It pleases me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can&#8217;t see the tag!</p>
<p>Where is it?</p>
<p>I must see it.</p>
<p>It pleases me.</p>
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